Time and Location

Thursday, 2007-04-05 in #adium-devl

PDT	MDT	CDT	EDT	CEST
6 PM	7 PM	8 PM	9 PM	3 AM

Equivalent to 01:00 UTC on Friday, the 6th.

Agenda

1. New people
   • Introduce yourself!
2. Updates on the following projects
   1. Parental Controls
   2. iChat import
   3. ModuleRefactorization (again)
   4. VoiceAndVideo
3. Goals? What do we want to attain in the next year?
4. Google Summer of Code students selected soon! (April 9th)
5. Next Time...

Minutes

Log

[8:51pm] hal2k: t-10m
[8:52pm] The_Tick: haha, that meeting request
[8:52pm] The_Tick: it's set to email me
[8:52pm] The_Tick: so everyone who is getting an alarm is emailing me
[8:52pm] hal2k: heh
[8:52pm] The_Tick: only 4 people+me
[8:52pm] edr1084: good thing I hate alarms and turned it off
[8:53pm] The_Tick: edr1084: ya
[8:53pm] The_Tick: I forgot about that
[8:53pm] gbooker: did I email you?
[8:53pm] The_Tick: umm.. nope
[8:53pm] gbooker: got the alarm 
[8:53pm] The_Tick was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[8:54pm] The_Tick set a ban on %TownCrier!*@*.
[8:54pm] The_Tick set a ban on %CIA-22!*@*.
[8:54pm] Topic changed to "http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/AdiumMeetings/2007-04-05 || Adium development discussion || For discussion about development issues, Adium or otherwise. Help keep #adium free for user support. || Off-topic discussion to #adium" by The_Tick.
[8:55pm] The_Tick was demoted from operator by The_Tick.
[8:55pm] snarfer: http://daringfireball.net/2006/01/smart_crash_reports#fnr3-2006-01-30
[8:55pm] djbsquared (n=jordanwe@adium/djbsquared) joined the chat room.
[8:56pm] coyotejones (n=coyotejo@c-76-21-116-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined the chat room.
[8:57pm] hal2k: snarfer: I read on some news page that apple plans to disable input managers
[8:57pm] ksuther (n=kent@c-71-192-136-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined the chat room.
[8:57pm] snarfer: Yay
[8:57pm] snarfer: that makes me happy
[8:59pm] snarfer: Input Managers are just lazy programming on behalf of Apple
[8:59pm] The_Tick: we'll give everyone another 5 minutes
[8:59pm] The_Tick: hal2k: can you log this?
[9:00pm] hal2k: The_Tick: I'm logging all the time anyways
[9:00pm] The_Tick: cool
[9:00pm] edr1084: The_Tick: are we gonna need voice or anything since we've got so many this time around?
[9:00pm] snarfer: You have to have an external resource to allow for user input
[9:00pm] The_Tick: edr1084: with introductions no
[9:00pm] edr1084: alright
[9:00pm] snarfer: That could easily just screw with your sustem
[9:00pm] The_Tick: when we get to the 4 sub topics
[9:00pm] snarfer: system*
[9:00pm] cbarrett: The_Tick: TownCrier is logging.
[9:00pm] The_Tick: I'm going to op, and voice the person who has the topi
[9:00pm] The_Tick: topic
[9:00pm] The_Tick: cbarrett: ya, but hal2k can post it to the wiki 
[9:01pm] edr1084: cbarrett: that gonna work with TC banned?
[9:01pm] Erik006 (n=Erik@d141-166-226.home.cgocable.net) joined the chat room.
[9:01pm] cbarrett: edr1084: uh
[9:01pm] cbarrett: TownCrier: sup
[9:01pm] The_Tick: edr1084: it's
[9:01pm] The_Tick: it's +q
[9:01pm] edr1084: oh
[9:01pm] edr1084: nm
[9:01pm] The_Tick: logging should still work
[9:01pm] bgannin (n=bgannin@adsl-70-130-171-197.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined the chat room.
[9:01pm] cbarrett: The_Tick: TC logs to a webpage
[9:01pm] The_Tick: hey brian
[9:01pm] edr1084: righty-o
[9:01pm] bgannin: hey-o
[9:01pm] cbarrett: you can just copy paste from it.
[9:01pm] hal2k: The_Tick: I have 722934 lines of chatlog for #adium 
[9:01pm] The_Tick: cbarrett: to synapse's home box
[9:01pm] The_Tick: which can go down
[9:02pm] The_Tick: right?
[9:02pm] cbarrett: The_Tick: yeah, btu we could copy paste from that website onto the wiki
[9:02pm] The_Tick: *shrug*
[9:02pm] bgannin: brb, working on a project in other room
[9:02pm] The_Tick: cbarrett: I'm going to run this meeting this time if that's cool with you
[9:02pm] pblair: I think there are enough people logging that it should be okay 
[9:02pm] cbarrett: sure
[9:02pm] The_Tick: kk
[9:02pm] cbarrett: also I thought mootpointer.org is dreamhost
[9:02pm] The_Tick: oh, it could be
[9:02pm] The_Tick: *shrug*
[9:02pm] The_Tick: alright, let's start
[9:03pm] The_Tick: cfm is going to be late
[9:03pm] gbooker: yippie
[9:03pm] The_Tick: I think evan is in studying mode
[9:03pm] edr1084: elliott is going to be late as well
[9:03pm] The_Tick was promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[9:03pm] pblair: The_Tick: Perhaps send a quick email to -devl as a final warning?
[9:03pm] The_Tick: so the way this is going to work
[9:03pm] The_Tick: pblair: please do 
[9:03pm] pblair: ok.
[9:03pm] The_Tick: I'm going to stay opped during the topics
[9:04pm] The_Tick: I will voice those who have the floor
[9:04pm] The_Tick: that way they get to say their peace
[9:04pm] The_Tick: everyone cool with that?
[9:04pm] hal2k: that's going to be complicated, but I'm ok with it
[9:05pm] The_Tick: hal2k: has the floor = it's their topic
[9:05pm] The_Tick: like bgannin for ichat importer
[9:05pm] alangh (n=alangh@fire/developer/alangh) joined the chat room.
[9:05pm] The_Tick: alright, we have a lot of new people
[9:05pm] TealShark (n=tealshar@CPE0014bf395ec3-CM0012c92130ba.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined the chat room.
[9:05pm] The_Tick: from the summer of code stuff
[9:05pm] TealShark_ (n=tealshar@CPE0014bf395ec3-CM0012c92130ba.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left the chat room. (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
[9:05pm] alangh (n=alangh@fire/developer/alangh) left the chat room.
[9:05pm] The_Tick: and from the request for help that I put out about a month ago
[9:06pm] The_Tick: everyone who is new, please introduce yourselves (one at a time)
[9:06pm] The_Tick: then everyone else here will introduce themselves as well
[9:06pm] alangh (n=alangh@fire/developer/alangh) joined the chat room.
[9:06pm] The_Tick: Erik006: want to go first?
[9:06pm] Erik006: Sure
[9:07pm] Erik006: Not much to say I guess. I'm Erik Beerepoot you can see my nick at the left (..) I'm working on improvement to the MUC right now
[9:07pm] The_Tick: cool
[9:07pm] Erik006: hope to get to know ya
[9:07pm] The_Tick:
[9:07pm] eitanko (n=eitan@cpe-72-225-237-159.nyc.res.rr.com) joined the chat room.
[9:07pm] The_Tick: who's next?
[9:07pm] alangh: me
[9:08pm] alangh: I haven't formally introduced myself, although many of you know me...  I am Alan Humpherys, I joined from the Fire development team where I have been working for the past 5 years.
[9:09pm] alangh: Currently working on Parental controls as well as voice/video
[9:09pm] The_Tick: cool, seems good
[9:09pm] The_Tick: next?
[9:09pm] • gbooker jumps excitedly wanting to go next
[9:09pm] • The_Tick points at gbooker
[9:10pm] gbooker: I am Graham Booker.  Another Fire convert.  Did some work with the Fire importer and bits of improvements to AIM file transfer.  Been a while since I worked on Adium, but I do a few bits here and there still
[9:11pm] The_Tick: alright, next person
[9:11pm] hal2k: ok, I'll be next
[9:11pm] The_Tick: sure
[9:12pm] hal2k: My name is Andreas Monitzer. I was SoC student last year, and I'm became kinda the XMPP evangelist on the project. On this year's SoC I applied (again) for improving this protocol's support. In my other live I'm a Computer Graphics MSc student currently doing my master's thesis.
[9:12pm] The_Tick: cool, that covers it for you
[9:12pm] The_Tick: definitely does 
[9:12pm] The_Tick: eitanko: you're next
[9:12pm] eitanko: sounds good
[9:13pm] eitanko: My name is Eitan Konigsburg.  I am new around here.  I don't have too much experience with open source development, but have to start somewhere.  I'm a recent CS grad from Columbia University, currently employed by the New York Times Digital.
[9:13pm] The_Tick: good stuff
[9:13pm] snarfer:
[9:14pm] gbooker: how about you tick?
[9:14pm] The_Tick: ah, yes
[9:14pm] The_Tick: I'm Chris Forsythe, Project Manager for Adium
[9:14pm] The_Tick: I'm the guy who kinda does day-to-day operatioins
[9:14pm] The_Tick: operations*
[9:14pm] The_Tick: and I give guidance where I can
[9:14pm] The_Tick: I also help guide where Adium is going, along with the other developers
[9:15pm] The_Tick: David Smith will be in later
[9:15pm] The_Tick: he goes by Catfish_Man. He's our day-to-day goto for all programming questions
[9:15pm] The_Tick: decision wise
[9:15pm] The_Tick: Evan Schoenberg is the Lead Dev
[9:15pm] The_Tick: he controls Adium, and is the last line of decision making
[9:16pm] The_Tick: he can overrule David or myself if need be
[9:16pm] The_Tick: but we've never had to do that 
[9:16pm] The_Tick: in case anyone wondered about the organization of Adium
[9:16pm] The_Tick: ok, anyone else?
[9:16pm] coyotejones: I'll go.
[9:16pm] The_Tick: bgannin: you back?
[9:16pm] The_Tick: oh, sure coyotejones
[9:17pm] Erik006 (n=Erik@d141-166-226.home.cgocable.net) left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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[9:17pm] coyotejones: I'm George Saj, and I'm new around here. I responded to the call-for-help a month ago. I have a day job doing software development, but I feel the need to get into an open-source project and also work on Cocoa. That's my primary motivation.
[9:17pm] Mac-arena (n=macrulez@growl/Mac-arena) joined the chat room.
[9:17pm] dohbofus (i=vxsarin@edge.sh3lls.net) left the chat room.
[9:17pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: to catch you up, we're introducing ourselves
[9:17pm] The_Tick: you're next
[9:17pm] The_Tick:
[9:18pm] djbsquared: suprise!
[9:19pm] Erik006_ (n=Erik@d141-166-226.home.cgocable.net) left the chat room. (Client Quit)
[9:19pm] • alangh wonders if Mac-arena is awake
[9:19pm] The_Tick: hrmm
[9:19pm] Erik006 (n=Erik@d141-166-226.home.cgocable.net) joined the chat room.
[9:19pm] The_Tick: could have connectionitis
[9:19pm] The_Tick: edr1084: mind going?
[9:19pm] edr1084: sure
[9:20pm] edr1084: I'm Eric Richie, I worked on doing the help viewer docs, and small things here and there, I mainly work on trac and lead the ticket task force
[9:21pm] pblair: As an aside, there's a short, impromptu, slightly outdated history of Adium as explained by The_Tick here: http://fadeover.org/stuff/adiumhistory.txt
[9:21pm] ifoox (n=ifoox@CPE00501814cf0b-CM00159a65ea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left the chat room.
[9:21pm] pblair: (The ChatKit stuff near the end is no longer relevant)
[9:22pm] The_Tick: ok, pblair
[9:22pm] The_Tick: you're next
[9:23pm] pblair: Ah, I'm Patrick Gibson, I'm a CS Student at U of Windsor in Windsor, Ontario, Canada... I write Adium Plugins and applied for SoC to do Unit Testing.
[9:23pm] The_Tick: is there anyone else who wants to introduce themselves?
[9:24pm] plivesey: Me?
[9:24pm] mipadi: i will
[9:24pm] The_Tick: plivesey first
[9:24pm] The_Tick: then mipadi
[9:24pm] snarfer: Sure,
[9:24pm] Mac-arena: Hi, my name is Merlin, and I do magicks.
[9:24pm] The_Tick: then snarfer
[9:24pm] snarfer: Tee hee Mac-arena
[9:24pm] djbsquared: i can say hi too
[9:24pm] The_Tick: settle, settle
[9:25pm] plivesey: Hi all. I'm Paul Livesey.  I'm a software engineer by trade and so far I've done a couple of patches.
[9:25pm] The_Tick: cool
[9:25pm] The_Tick: mipadi: your turn
[9:25pm] Mac-arena: (FTR, I'm late because I was buying milk)
[9:26pm] mipadi: Well, I'm Michael Dippery. I've been following development for a while but just recently took the plunge into actually producing patches. I've also been doing some work on documentation. I'm a CS student, too (lot of that going around).
[9:26pm] snarfer: My turn
[9:27pm] durin42 (n=durin@207.75.229.50) joined the chat room.
[9:27pm] bgannin: i return 
[9:27pm] The_Tick: bgannin: after snarfer intro's himself, it's you
[9:27pm] The_Tick: then durin42
[9:27pm] The_Tick: and that's the last of it for now
[9:27pm] snarfer: I'm Glenn Kerbein, as of today, I am an unemployed El Molino High School student. I do some person/side web design work. I am also working on rewriting finkcommander (#fink for more info). I usually am around on IRC here.
[9:28pm] Mac-arena: Does anybody need me to introduce myself?
[9:28pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: go after durin42, and you're last
[9:28pm] djbsquared: Mac-arena: now that there is actually a you to introduce? 
[9:28pm] The_Tick: bgannin: you're up
[9:28pm] Mac-arena: djbsquared: Truth.
[9:29pm] bgannin: I'm Brian Ganninger, recently hired Mac OS X Desktop Software Engineer at Apple (yay!), I have a company (Infinite Nexus Software) and I work on investing Sync Services, the iChat importer, and other old things (contact list themes and emoticon menu), as well as Growl lead dev.
[9:30pm] The_Tick: durin42: you're turn
[9:30pm] Mac-arena: He is a turn?
[9:30pm] The_Tick: your*
[9:30pm] Mac-arena: He is a tern? I didn't know durin42 was an oceangoing bird.
[9:30pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: sssh 
[9:30pm] Newtylicious: you don't know durin42 then
[9:31pm] durin42: I'm Augie Fackler, college student, will spend my summer working as an engineering intern for Google, lead developer of perian, with a bunch of sekrit projects that should start seeing the light of day soon.
[9:31pm] durin42: I'm the anti-warnings nazi.
[9:31pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: you're turn
[9:31pm] The_Tick:
[9:31pm] durin42: The_Tick: he's a bird?
[9:31pm] Mac-arena: I am a tern? ...
[9:31pm] Mac-arena:
[9:31pm] • durin42 puts on the pedant hat
[9:32pm] Mac-arena: I'm Peter Hosey, Voice of Adium and unofficial captain of the feedback address.
[9:32pm] Mac-arena: (Voice of Adium: http://adiumx.com/screencasts/ )
[9:32pm] The_Tick: Peter does all of our screencasts
[9:32pm] The_Tick: alangh: you there?
[9:32pm] bgannin: really the Voice of Adium and Growl in both respects
[9:33pm] snarfer: TBH, I'm not a fan of the screecasts; then again, I already have been using Adium for so long 
[9:33pm] durin42: (I have to leave in half an hour, just as a heads up)
[9:33pm] The_Tick: snarfer: screencasts are not on the agenda tonight
[9:33pm] alangh was granted voice by The_Tick.
[9:33pm] djbsquared: im going to say hi
[9:33pm] The_Tick: alright, alan is up first
[9:33pm] Mac-arena: bgannin: Though I haven't written or performed any Growl screencasts yet.
[9:33pm] The_Tick: he's still typing though
[9:33pm] • snarfer goes back to lurking
[9:33pm] alangh: ok thanks
[9:33pm] alangh: As I mentioned earlier, I am working on Parental Controls, which is currently scheduled for the 1.2 release.  (Timeframe to be established)
[9:33pm] The_Tick: djbsquared: go ahead and intro yourself
[9:33pm] The_Tick: wait, nm 
[9:34pm] djbsquared: I am Jordan, i am at Michigan State, I can't code, but spend enough time in front of the computer, so i support on IRC and the forums
[9:34pm] alangh: djbsquared: you can go  
[9:34pm] The_Tick: ok, back to alan 
[9:34pm] Mac-arena: Conversely, I *can* code, but usually don't.
[9:34pm] djbsquared: haha
[9:34pm] alangh:  I would encourage you all to go to the Wiki Page for this at: http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/ParentalControls
[9:34pm] alangh:  This gives an idea of what is in store.
[9:34pm] Mac-arena: alangh: "Blocked: You are not old enough to view this page"
[9:34pm] Mac-arena:
[9:35pm] The_Tick: guys, settle 
[9:35pm] The_Tick: we have a lot to get through and not a lot of time
[9:35pm] • Mac-arena nods
[9:35pm] alangh:  If I'm not old enough at 42, then we're all in trouble
[9:35pm] alangh:  Most of the work so far has gone into the Profanity controller, which is actually a port of code that comes from Fire.  This does a filtering of the messages to ensure that profanity is removed and replaced with a nice word like "CENSORED"
[9:35pm] alangh:  It has a lax, medium, and strict setting which gives an ever larger set of words that are filtered out, and people can create their own word lists to filter as well.
[9:35pm] alangh: The idea is to create a top level Preference Pane where settings can be changed (provided you authenticate as an admin user).  Unfortunately, there is not a published API to add our settings to the parental controls list in System controls
[9:36pm] alangh: so we have to do the preference within Adium itself, which isn't a bad thing necessarily
[9:36pm] bgannin: does abbreviation expansion really count as a parental control and not a convenience feature?
[9:36pm] alangh: that is a good question... 
[9:36pm] The_Tick: it's more of a control for a parent 
[9:36pm] alangh: It is kind of an outlyer (just happens to use similar technology to profanity filtering)
[9:36pm] Mac-arena: Well, it'd certainly be supporting
[9:36pm] bgannin: and can we fill it appropriately with abbreviations or make it mutable? (which could in theory lead to it being blow away if the controls are circumvented)
[9:37pm] Mac-arena: WTF -> WT[censored]
[9:37pm] alangh: right, it is important to put the filters in the right order, something which may be tricky
[9:37pm] Mac-arena: bgannin: Open-source + Obj-C = circumventable
[9:37pm] eitanko: i would assume it's more so parents can know what the kiddies are saying in IM lingo
[9:37pm] eitanko: for logging etc
[9:37pm] bgannin: Mac-arena: i was thinking Jenny watches mom type password and then fixes the system as she likes 
[9:37pm] alangh: right, the goal is to keep kids honest and protect the younger ones from talking to strangers
[9:38pm] The_Tick: I think eitanko brings up a valid point supporting it
[9:38pm] Mac-arena: The user-level deabbreviator could put a tool-tip on the abbrevation. Something like <abbr title="What the fuck">WTF</a>
[9:38pm] hal2k: if the kid is more intelligent than the parents, nothing helps
[9:38pm] Mac-arena: bgannin: I don't think we can do anything about mom's slow typing 
[9:38pm] alangh: it can be circumvented, but helps at least set the tone for what children should be doing on IM
[9:38pm] The_Tick: alangh: was there more to this topic?
[9:39pm] The_Tick: or was that it for this one?
[9:39pm] bgannin: fair enough, we'll save the nitty gritty for later 
[9:39pm] alangh: yes, I would like to ask if anyone would like to help
[9:39pm] alangh: specifically in icon creation
[9:39pm] The_Tick: we get adam betts to make icons
[9:39pm] The_Tick: generally
[9:39pm] The_Tick: and if not, I can probably get fernando to make us one
[9:40pm] The_Tick: use a placeholder for now
[9:40pm] Mac-arena: I imagine Adiumy with electrical tape around his bill.
[9:40pm] alangh: or if anyone has interest in programming, I have a branch created, just email me (alangh at adiumx.com) and we can coordinate
[9:40pm] bgannin: Mac-arena: no S&M ducks 
[9:40pm] The_Tick: alright, next topic is..
[9:41pm] The_Tick: we're through with this one right?
[9:41pm] alangh: yep
[9:41pm] alangh had voice removed by The_Tick.
[9:41pm] bgannin was granted voice by The_Tick.
[9:41pm] The_Tick: the next topic is ichat importer
[9:41pm] The_Tick: bgannin: it's your floor sir 
[9:41pm] bgannin: word
[9:41pm] bgannin: tick asked me to look into what it would take to grab the accounts, settings, etc. from iChat like we do for Fire
[9:42pm] bgannin: and over the last few months I've built an iChat Import Assistant on a branch of 1.0
[9:42pm] sholt (n=sholt@adium/EarthMkII) joined the chat room.
[9:42pm] bgannin: right now it's available for developer review before merging back for inclusion in 1.1
[9:42pm] gbooker: bgannin: did you see the GBImportPlugin class that I created a few weeks ago?
[9:42pm] bgannin: it's like the setup assistant in behavior and look, but is invokable at any time
[9:43pm] bgannin: gbooker: no, sorry, i've had my head in the sand 
[9:43pm] bgannin: what does it do?
[9:43pm] The_Tick: hrmm, can we postpone it to 1.2?
[9:43pm] gbooker: it was a class to add the Fire import stuff into a menu within adium
[9:43pm] bgannin: sure
[9:43pm] gbooker: to be invoked at any time
[9:43pm] bgannin: cool
[9:43pm] The_Tick: to iron out any of the issues you listed that we can
[9:43pm] gbooker: nothing more than menu hooks
[9:43pm] bgannin: that's actually referenced in the branch
[9:43pm] The_Tick: gbooker: mind reviewing the branch?
[9:43pm] • edr1084 holds off on the help docs for it then
[9:44pm] bgannin: the adium setup assistant has a button to get info on importing
[9:44pm] bgannin: which shows a sheet to open either fire or ichat importers
[9:44pm] bgannin: as i think dedicated importers are > using the 1 assistant window
[9:44pm] gbooker: The_Tick: sure, I can look at it some, but it'll be a while till I can really check it out
[9:44pm] bgannin: the importer handles logs, statuses, accounts
[9:45pm] bgannin: and provides optional status groups
[9:45pm] snarfer: Blarg. I've got too much stuff to do to follow this conversation. I'll pick it up in the logs. Adios, people.
[9:45pm] bgannin: cheers
[9:45pm] eitanko: we'll try to provide entertaining reading 
[9:45pm] The_Tick: gbooker: cool. we've not got a firm date on 1.1 yet, so I don't see that being as much of a problem
[9:45pm] bgannin: for those that want to check it out the branch is adium-ichatimport
[9:45pm] bgannin: that covers for this feature i think
[9:46pm] The_Tick: bgannin: talk to evan about it too
[9:46pm] The_Tick: see if he can give it a once over
[9:46pm] The_Tick: if gbooker can't, evan might have
[9:46pm] bgannin: will do, hopefully he'll ping of the devl email 
[9:46pm] gbooker: checking it out now
[9:46pm] bgannin: *of == off
[9:46pm] TealShark (n=tealshar@CPE0014bf395ec3-CM0012c92130ba.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left the chat room.
[9:46pm] bgannin had voice removed by The_Tick.
[9:47pm] The_Tick: hal2k: you have the module refactoring topic right?
[9:47pm] hal2k: yep
[9:47pm] hal2k was granted voice by The_Tick.
[9:47pm] hal2k: in a sec
[9:47pm] The_Tick: kk
[9:47pm] gbooker: oh boy
[9:47pm] hal2k: ok
[9:47pm] hal2k: updated the wiki page for the importers 
[9:47pm] hal2k: so, for those who weren't there at the first (real) meeting:
[9:48pm] hal2k: the idea is to implement a proper procedure for code changes
[9:48pm] hal2k: it is documented at http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/ModuleRefactorization
[9:48pm] durin42: Blocking support needs to be rethought entirely as well.
[9:48pm] hal2k: it involves talking to other project members and thinking about the API to export first
[9:49pm] hal2k: durin42: please add that to the page
[9:49pm] hal2k: some parts of adium have certain known deficiencies
[9:49pm] hal2k: somebody has to look at them and fix them as much as it's needed for the new features that are going to be added
[9:50pm] hal2k: at the bottom of the wiki page, all modules to be fixed/implemented are listed
[9:50pm] hal2k: when somebody has a new work module, he/she should add it there
[9:50pm] hal2k: it should be sorted by priority (as far as that's possible)
[9:51pm] hal2k: when somebody wants to work on one of those modules, add yourself as the owner
[9:51pm] • gbooker is at the bottom of the list 
[9:51pm] • alangh pushes gbooker up higher in the stack
[9:51pm] hal2k: gbooker: that's because I added you right when I started explaining 
[9:51pm] hal2k: voice and video should be at the bottom
[9:52pm] The_Tick: voice and video is being worked on
[9:52pm] bgannin: tasty sandwiches should be at bottom
[9:52pm] • alangh can't wait to show you all iChat Voice/Video by the end of the summer....
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[9:52pm] The_Tick: hal2k: that covers the topic I think
[9:52pm] hal2k: yes, but one more thing
[9:52pm] The_Tick: sure
[9:52pm] bgannin: woohoo, one more thing!
[9:53pm] hal2k: we'd need somebody to test the procedure, if it works properly
[9:53pm] hal2k: before we can push everybody to use it
[9:53pm] bgannin: so we need a guinea pig project?
[9:53pm] hal2k: yep
[9:53pm] hal2k: something small
[9:53pm] bgannin: why not use the ichat importer
[9:53pm] hal2k: so it doesn't take a year
[9:54pm] bgannin: its 4 classes, 1 nib, and 5 existing file changes
[9:54pm] hal2k: good 
[9:54pm] The_Tick: can you two work together on this?
[9:54pm] bgannin: and a chunk of external code, but that's not ours to edit 
[9:54pm] hal2k: I can do that
[9:54pm] The_Tick: bgannin: I know you have to pull back on activities, but guidance via email and whatnot
[9:55pm] bgannin: The_Tick: no worries, a couple hours a week shouldn't break the brian
[9:55pm] The_Tick: hehe
[9:55pm] The_Tick: alright, any questions on this guys?
[9:55pm] hal2k: so, we're going to use the procedure and report back on the next meeting?
[9:55pm] The_Tick: sounds good
[9:55pm] hal2k: ok, fine
[9:56pm] The_Tick: save the questions for then I guess
[9:56pm] hal2k: oh, whenever somebody starts working on a project, add it to that page!
[9:56pm] hal2k had voice removed by The_Tick.
[9:56pm] The_Tick: thanks hal2k 
[9:56pm] alangh was granted voice by The_Tick.
[9:56pm] The_Tick: alangh: it's your floor for the voice/video portion
[9:56pm] alangh: Thanks Chris,
[9:56pm] alangh: For Voice and Video - this is a huge topic and we will have to take it in baby steps, I have been working on iChat AIM voice/video at the protocol level for some time now and want to put it into Adium
[9:57pm] alangh: I started an update of the Wiki pages for voice and video at: http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/VoiceAndVideo
[9:57pm] alangh: I have completed the ones on the capability matrix: http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/VoiceVideoSupportingServices
[9:57pm] alangh: Protocol Support: http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/VoiceVideoProtocolSupport
[9:57pm] alangh: And Nat traversal: http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/DirectConnectionTechnologies
[9:57pm] alangh: This is a large project and I have spent just a little time talking with Sean Egan about how libgaim is moving in this direction.  There is definitely protocol work to do here, and I am working on the AIM version right now..
[9:57pm] alangh:  there is a SoC project we are contemplating to put in support for IAX (asterisk VoIP PBX) which would be very nice.
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[9:58pm] hal2k: alangh: any news on libjingle in this regard?
[9:58pm] alangh: We are debating with Sean whether to use QTKit (and Quicktime) or GSTREAMER
[9:58pm] • bgannin shiver
[9:58pm] • The_Tick points at quicktime
[9:58pm] bgannin: technology debates are never fun
[9:58pm] The_Tick: we have more experience on the team with quicktime
[9:58pm] alangh: libjingle is an interesting animal in that it implements the whole stack in a non sharable mode
[9:58pm] hal2k: I'd go for gstreamer for the networking part and quicktime on the multimedia part
[9:59pm] alangh: so we are wondering if libjingle in its full state is perfect
[9:59pm] hal2k: well, sean is the expert to answer that
[9:59pm] alangh: I amDEFINITELY leaning to QTKit for the hardware and codec interface, so we don't have to port GSTREAMER which would be a huge port to get it working on Mac OS X. 
[10:00pm] gbooker: I can attest to the fact that doing RTSP packetizers in QT isn't easy
[10:00pm] alangh: then we could use all those nice Perian codecs  
[10:00pm] hal2k: the gstreamer web page says it works on mac os x
[10:00pm] alangh: there is a port ongoing for gstreamer, but it is not production quality yet
[10:00pm] alangh: so the debate rages on...  But it is a fun one
[10:00pm] hal2k: gbooker: you couldn't use quicktime with jingle, since quicktime doesn't support ICE
[10:01pm] gbooker: just saying that hacking up the network level in QT is not fun
[10:01pm] hal2k: btw, x-lite now supports ICE for SIP, too
[10:01pm] gbooker: but for a display/capture part, QT should work well
[10:01pm] hal2k: yep
[10:01pm] alangh: correct, it is probably best to use QT for the hardware interface, and other libraries (libjingle, GSTREAMER RTP, LIBSIP) for the network transport
[10:02pm] hal2k: that would work nicely for keeping libgaim cross-platform, too
[10:03pm] The_Tick: is that it for this topic?
[10:03pm] gbooker: so, libgaim could be passing compressed frame data back and forth or something?
[10:03pm] alangh: One huge part of this will be defining the right interface for libgaim ....  Right now, I think the goal is too far reaching to use GSTREMER for the hardware interface, but if we can convince Sean to back up just a little bit and use other code for that, and GSTREAMER for the networking, then it would be a nice cross platform starting point...
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[10:03pm] The_Tick: ah, it's not 
[10:03pm] durin42: no, we shouldn't port gstreamer.
[10:03pm] durin42: that's retarded - we have a framework that does that stuff for us already.
[10:03pm] gbooker: thoughts on where libgaim/adium split should occur on this?
[10:04pm] durin42: alright, I gotta go, meeting IRL.
[10:04pm] hal2k: libgaim shouldn't handle any video capture
[10:04pm] The_Tick: durin42: later
[10:04pm] alangh: I have not looked enough at the gstreamer interface to see if there is a nice breakpoint in the code
[10:04pm] Mac-arena: BTW, QTKit can't handle capture yet
[10:04pm] Mac-arena: We'd have to wait until Leopard. Otherwise, we'd use QuickTime (the C version).
[10:04pm] hal2k: alangh: we have to find out first
[10:04pm] alangh: right, but QT capture is less than 50 lines of code, and it will work on 10.4
[10:04pm] hal2k: Mac-arena: I'm ok when voice/video would be 10.5-only (while adium itself still runs on 10.4)
[10:05pm] Mac-arena: hal2k: Heh. We'll have to see how the Sparkle+ stats look by that point.
[10:05pm] The_Tick: if it's 50 lines
[10:05pm] The_Tick: let's not drop 10.4 so rapidly
[10:05pm] The_Tick:
[10:05pm] hal2k: agreed
[10:05pm] Mac-arena: Indeed.
[10:05pm] gbooker: yeah, 50 lines, might as well use what works now rather than wait
[10:05pm] alangh: apple dev has a nice sample file for QT capture
[10:05pm] hal2k: I don't have any experience with carbon-API-based quicktime
[10:06pm] Mac-arena: hal2k: You can ask me any questions. I've used it before, though not for capture.
[10:06pm] alangh: but we can use QTKit for the video display, and that will work on 10.4.. And that is 3 lines
[10:06pm] gbooker: hal2k: several member of the perian team are here who do
[10:06pm] hal2k: ok, so doing it in 10.4 sounds possible
[10:07pm] Mac-arena: Also, for ICE, suppose we wrote a QuickTime component? We can either require that users install it, bundle an installer like Growl-WithInstaller, or load it as part of the app.
[10:07pm] alangh: so, in a nutshell...  This is a huge deal...  (more than one extremely part time guy)....  There are some SoC possibilities to add this
[10:07pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: or not
[10:07pm] hal2k: alangh: having a SoC student work on this has failed last year
[10:07pm] alangh: Well, ICE is only google talk (and upcoming jabber)...  Others use different mechanisms
[10:07pm] Mac-arena: The_Tick: Making it a component makes sense. Then we can use QuickTime for anything and simply specify the component type+subtype to indicate the codec
[10:07pm] gbooker: Mac-arena: an app can load its own private QT components for its use
[10:07pm] Mac-arena: gbooker: I know.
[10:07pm] hal2k: alangh: x-lite uses it for SIP, too
[10:07pm] Mac-arena: That's one of my suggestions.
[10:07pm] Mac-arena: The third, specifically.
[10:07pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: it'd make sense to talk about it outside of a short discussion about it in here
[10:08pm] alangh: right...
[10:08pm] bgannin: do we have any starter devs around? parts of this might be a good entry area
[10:08pm] gbooker: so, what goes in libgaim, and what goes in adium?
[10:08pm] hal2k: gbooker: networking -> libgaim, multimedia -> adium
[10:08pm] eitanko: bgannin: im around...i don't know if this is over my head or not
[10:08pm] gbooker: and the buffering is where?
[10:08pm] alangh: I am thinking libgaim handles IM Service protocol,
[10:08pm] hal2k: hmmm
[10:08pm] alangh: and network transport (RTP)
[10:08pm] bgannin: specifically i think of the lightweight UI and the display of a Picture in Picture (PIP) view of the user's video
[10:09pm] gbooker: does libgaim handle buffering and pass network data at the right time, or does it pass when it gets it and the app do the buffering?
[10:09pm] bgannin: since they won't require any network or codec knowledge to really get going
[10:09pm] alangh: obviously capture and display are in adium
[10:09pm] The_Tick: eitanko: only one way to find out
[10:09pm] The_Tick: alangh: can you manage a team of 2-3 people on this?
[10:09pm] eitanko: bgannin: The_Tick: true
[10:09pm] alangh: I think so
[10:09pm] The_Tick: eitanko: get with alangh
[10:09pm] The_Tick: who else?
[10:09pm] The_Tick: coyotejones: ping
[10:09pm] coyotejones: ping
[10:09pm] bgannin: if you'd like to work on this 
[10:09pm] alangh: I will take the action item to write a white paper on a proposal here
[10:09pm] manung: I am also available
[10:09pm] The_Tick: manung: you got it
[10:10pm] The_Tick: coyotejones: think you can work with alangh on this?
[10:10pm] The_Tick: plivesey: you too
[10:10pm] coyotejones: totally
[10:10pm] edr1084: The_Tick: elliott had told me he was looking to work on vv in general, so I can't speak for him but he might be game for it
[10:10pm] The_Tick: edr1084: elliott is bogged with school work
[10:10pm] The_Tick: alangh: you have at least 3 people
[10:10pm] alangh: wonderful
[10:10pm] bgannin: with more bodies you can also look not only to the innards but the externals, such as needed preferences, configuration, etc. (see iChat)
[10:10pm] The_Tick: and plivesey if he wants it as well
[10:10pm] plivesey: I'm not sure how much time I can offer up.  But if anybody wants to throw stuff my way I'll see what I can do.
[10:11pm] The_Tick: everyone, please get with alan
[10:11pm] The_Tick: get him your contact info
[10:11pm] hal2k: bgannin: and coreimage-based animations! 
[10:11pm] alangh: get me at "alangh@adiumx.com"
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[10:11pm] bgannin: hal2k: maybe we'll run before attempt to hurdle 
[10:11pm] pblair: Core Animation ftw
[10:11pm] The_Tick: coyotejones, plivesey, eitanko and manung
[10:11pm] The_Tick: excellent
[10:11pm] alangh: great!
[10:12pm] eitanko: sweet
[10:12pm] Catfish_Man: hey folks, sorry I'm late
[10:12pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: no worries
[10:12pm] gbooker: cfm!
[10:12pm] Catfish_Man: gbooker!
[10:12pm] bgannin: welcome welcome
[10:12pm] Mac-arena: Glad to know I'm not the latest guy here. 
[10:12pm] Catfish_Man: anyone got a transcript?
[10:12pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: those 4 are going to work with alangh on voice/video
[10:12pm] coyotejones: sounds good
[10:12pm] Catfish_Man: hot
[10:12pm] Mac-arena: I have a partial one
[10:12pm] alangh: so that does it for my part
[10:12pm] The_Tick: can we also get a more experience dev to work with alangh and those 4 on this?
[10:13pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: perhaps you?
[10:13pm] alangh: yes, because I am still coming up to speed on the adium code
[10:13pm] Catfish_Man: I'm certainly willing to answer questions, but I can't involve myself any more than that
[10:13pm] Mac-arena: Same as CFM
[10:13pm] alangh: good enough
[10:13pm] • Mac-arena doesn't have capture experience
[10:13pm] The_Tick: coordinate on devl where you can
[10:13pm] The_Tick: or where it's appropriate
[10:13pm] bgannin: but you do have adium experience 
[10:13pm] alangh: I'll just pester Gbooker mercilessly when it comes to QT questions
[10:13pm] pblair: Catfish_Man: http://fadeover.org/stuff/meetinglog.txt
[10:14pm] hal2k: Catfish_Man: http://monitzer.com/junk/chatlog.txt full log
[10:14pm] The_Tick: yep, that's the important bit for you
[10:14pm] Mac-arena: Catfish_Man: http://71.116.234.81:8080/~prh/adium-devl%202007-04-05-partial.txt
[10:14pm] Catfish_Man: heh, nice timing
[10:14pm] pblair: lol
[10:14pm] • gbooker runs and hides..
[10:14pm] The_Tick: alangh: yuvi and feanor in #perian are also good guys to ask
[10:14pm] The_Tick: and feelgood
[10:14pm] The_Tick:
[10:14pm] The_Tick: ok, I think this topic is done
[10:14pm] alangh: good to know
[10:14pm] The_Tick: any objections to moving on?
[10:14pm] Catfish_Man: feelgood has mad opengl skillz
[10:14pm] Catfish_Man: go for it
[10:14pm] alangh had voice removed by The_Tick.
[10:14pm] hal2k: I have good opengl skills, too
[10:14pm] The_Tick: alright, the next topic is mine
[10:15pm] hal2k: (being a CG student)
[10:15pm] The_Tick: I wanted to run through my plans for the next year
[10:15pm] alangh:
[10:15pm] The_Tick: and see how that lines up with everyone
[10:15pm] The_Tick: start to get everyone to get a more firm idea of where we're going, etc
[10:15pm] The_Tick: 1.1 is the SoC stuff from last year that got through
[10:15pm] The_Tick: we need to get that out soon
[10:16pm] The_Tick: 1.2 is for the ichat importer and parental controls
[10:16pm] The_Tick: between 1.1 and 1.2 most everyone will probably be focused on SoC, WKMV2, etc etc
[10:16pm] Catfish_Man: wkmv2 is on hold until I get deadlines off my back
[10:16pm] gbooker: you see some sort of timeline for 1.1?
[10:16pm] Catfish_Man: since it's 50% a jive project
[10:16pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: works for me
[10:17pm] The_Tick: gbooker: ya, I wanted to discuss that really
[10:17pm] Catfish_Man: 1.1 should be asap. This accessibility crash is fing embarrassing
[10:17pm] alangh: WKMV2=???
[10:17pm] The_Tick: we had wanted to get 1.1 out before this SoC started
[10:17pm] Catfish_Man: alangh: rewrite of the webkit message view
[10:17pm] The_Tick: alangh: webkit message view 2
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[10:18pm] hal2k: The_Tick: could you update the roadmap on trac?
[10:18pm] The_Tick: I think a lot of people are stuck in finals though
[10:18pm] Catfish_Man: what are our blockers for 1.1?
[10:18pm] • The_Tick loads the milestone
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[10:19pm] The_Tick: webkit message view 2 stuff should be moved out
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[10:19pm] The_Tick: so what's left is really just tabs stuff
[10:19pm] The_Tick: and zac's nudge stuff
[10:19pm] The_Tick: which can be moved to 1.2
[10:19pm] Catfish_Man: it's done, isn't it?
[10:19pm] zac: all that's left is a toolbar button
[10:20pm] Catfish_Man: meh, not blocking on a toolbar button
[10:20pm] zac: which is a few hours of coding probably
[10:20pm] The_Tick: agreed
[10:20pm] gbooker: and someone to draw the icon
[10:20pm] bgannin: accessibility ftw
[10:20pm] The_Tick: accessibility is merged and done
[10:20pm] Catfish_Man: gbooker: Mike Sigler at Jive (graphic designer I work with) expressed some slight interest in helping out
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[10:20pm] Catfish_Man: he also made the new buzz icon for spark last week
[10:21pm] The_Tick: fonts redesign ticket is going out of the milestone
[10:21pm] hal2k: Catfish_Man: is there any spec on that buzz feature?
[10:21pm] zac: hal2k: it's <ding> on yahoo
[10:21pm] Catfish_Man: hal2k: spec in what sense?
[10:21pm] Catfish_Man: oh, the xmpp one?
[10:21pm] hal2k: Catfish_Man: yes
[10:21pm] Catfish_Man: dunno, ask derek on wednesday
[10:21pm] Catfish_Man: I want it to die a horrible flaming death
[10:21pm] hal2k: heh
[10:21pm] • The_Tick concurs
[10:22pm] Catfish_Man: adium has literally the only non-annoying implementation
[10:22pm] zac: at least i didn't implement window shaking 
[10:22pm] Mac-arena: BTW, how flexible is our events system? There are a few things that we should add events for, including Buzz
[10:22pm] hal2k: well, when adium supports it, why not integrate it with spark
[10:22pm] Catfish_Man: Mac-arena: zac did that for 1.1
[10:22pm] Mac-arena: OK
[10:22pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: I'll move the wkmv2 tickets to good idea for later
[10:22pm] Mac-arena: But how easy is it to add new events when we have to again? Is it easy, or major surgery?
[10:22pm] Catfish_Man: The_Tick: thanks
[10:22pm] The_Tick: until you know when it'll go in
[10:22pm] zac: Mac-arena: It's incredibly easy
[10:22pm] zac: Mac-arena: The hardest part is copy/pasting the -responders about what the event text is.
[10:22pm] alangh: can we add an "electrocute" action to our event system?  Could make these chats more interesting
[10:23pm] The_Tick: Mac-arena: brief alangh on the butt plate
[10:23pm] Mac-arena: alangh: But that would make my cattle-prod icon idea (which I suggested for Buzz) ambiguous...\
[10:23pm] Mac-arena: -\
[10:23pm] Catfish_Man: alangh: we'll need drivers...
[10:23pm] Mac-arena: I also suggested a USB butt-plate for Growl to enable/disable sticky 
[10:23pm] The_Tick: http://trac.adiumx.com/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Adium+X+1.1&order=priority
[10:23pm] The_Tick: what's left here that's important for 1.1?
[10:23pm] Catfish_Man: Mac-arena: dude, bluetooth presence from phones
[10:23pm] djbsquared: would probably be easy to make work on the powerbooks/mbps with light up keyboard
[10:23pm] Catfish_Man: turn on sticky when the phone is out of range
[10:23pm] Mac-arena: Catfish_Man: I dun have BT, or a BT phone
[10:23pm] djbsquared: you already have current flowing 
[10:24pm] Mac-arena: But I definitely have USB ports aplenty.
[10:24pm] The_Tick: guys
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[10:24pm] The_Tick: let's stay on topic 
[10:25pm] alangh: so what timeframe are you looking at for 1.1 then, with these reductions in scope?
[10:25pm] The_Tick: I'd like it by end of the month
[10:25pm] Catfish_Man: wth is 3152?
[10:25pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: moveable 
[10:26pm] alangh: and then 1.2 would follow 1-2 months later I assume?
[10:26pm] zac: Catfish_Man: Looks like an almost-done patch
[10:26pm] The_Tick: alangh: yes
[10:26pm] bgannin: it looks like 1.2 may need milestone editing, at least IMO
[10:26pm] Catfish_Man: very likely
[10:26pm] The_Tick: bgannin: oh yes, definitely
[10:26pm] The_Tick: it needs to be emptied
[10:26pm] gbooker: what about all the tickets in 1.0.3
[10:27pm] bgannin: The_Tick: that's always true 
[10:27pm] Catfish_Man: bump to 1.1.1?
[10:27pm] The_Tick: Catfish_Man: 1.3
[10:27pm] The_Tick: if something gets added, we move the ticket back
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[10:28pm] The_Tick: 1.0.3 is going to be an update to libgaim 2.0.0 final for the 1.0 codebase
[10:28pm] The_Tick: unless anyone has objections
[10:28pm] hal2k: that could fix #6531
[10:28pm] edr1084: as well as anything that needs fixed as the last panther compatible version right?
[10:28pm] The_Tick: edr1084: yes
[10:29pm] Mac-arena: Hooray for the abandonment of Panther!
[10:29pm] The_Tick: indeed
[10:29pm] Mac-arena: Man, I remember when we looked forward to all the new Panther APIs.
[10:29pm] alangh:
[10:29pm] • edr1084 concurs
[10:29pm] Catfish_Man: hehe
[10:29pm] Catfish_Man: I'm looking forward to 10.4.10
[10:29pm] The_Tick: alangh: we only support what we can run
[10:29pm] Mac-arena: Catfish_Man: It's a winning record!
[10:30pm] The_Tick: we "supported" 10.2 for so long
[10:30pm] The_Tick: and it was just really bad
[10:30pm] The_Tick removed the ban on %TownCrier!*@*.
[10:30pm] The_Tick removed the ban on %CIA-22!*@*.
[10:30pm] • gbooker remembers the "fun" of supporting 10.2 in Fire
[10:30pm] alangh: the_tick: I can boot 10.2.3  (which is a sad description of my hardware budget)
[10:30pm] The_Tick: !ticket 6190
[10:30pm] TownCrier: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/6190
[10:30pm] The_Tick: that one can be moved to 1.2
[10:30pm] The_Tick: !ticket 6064
[10:30pm] TownCrier: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/6064
[10:30pm] The_Tick: that one should be moved somewhere
[10:31pm] The_Tick: !ticket 723
[10:31pm] TownCrier: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/723
[10:31pm] The_Tick: that one is old as hell
[10:31pm] hal2k: vv is old as hell, too 
[10:31pm] alangh: hey Fire censored that...  (thank goodness for parental controls)
[10:31pm] TownCrier: adiumtrac: Ticket #6614 (defect updated): Small single tab visible initially when receiving a new message <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/6614#comment:1>
[10:31pm] Catfish_Man: our audio code is scary
[10:31pm] The_Tick: but it's not in the 1.1 milestone hal2k 
[10:31pm] The_Tick: alangh: lol
[10:32pm] Mac-arena: I don't remember whether Chirag said anything about that or not. Frankly, I don't even remember the ticket, although I sorta remember pointing him at it.
[10:32pm] cbarrett (n=cbarrett@adium/cbarrett) joined the chat room.
[10:32pm] Catfish_Man: hey cbarrett
[10:32pm] Mac-arena: Hey cbarrett 
[10:32pm] The_Tick: at this point, let's move it
[10:32pm] The_Tick: and if it's resolved, eh, good 
[10:32pm] Catfish_Man: eharris_ has grabbed 6064
[10:33pm] Catfish_Man: and it could potentially be a soc thing anyway
[10:33pm] hal2k: #6541 could be added to 1.1, too, it has a patch attached to it
[10:33pm] The_Tick: edr1084: can you empty out the 1.0.3 milestone and then add a single ticket for updating 1.0.3 to libgaim 2.0.0?
[10:33pm] Catfish_Man: so yeah, push it
[10:33pm] edr1084: The_Tick: yup
[10:33pm] edr1084: I'll work on it later so as not to spam the room
[10:33pm] Mac-arena: zac: Next April, we should put the Adium duck upside-down for April 1
[10:33pm] Mac-arena: ... wrong channel
[10:33pm] cbarrett: heh
[10:33pm] eharris_: 6064?
[10:33pm] Catfish_Man: eharris_: http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/6064
[10:33pm] cbarrett: that's weird, I thought this channel was active and everyone was just quiet
[10:34pm] TownCrier: adiumtrac: Ticket #6064 (enhancement updated): Automatically connect after a successful Jabber registration <http://trac.adiumx.com/ticket/6064#comment:3>
[10:34pm] Mac-arena: cbarrett: You fail at IRC.
[10:34pm] cbarrett: turns out I pinged out half an hour ago.
[10:34pm] eharris_ is now known as eharris.
[10:34pm] Mac-arena: Haha
[10:34pm] The_Tick: we're auditing milestones cbarrett
[10:34pm] The_Tick: in order to try to get it where 1.1 will be out by end of month
[10:34pm] Mac-arena: Mile 23 is chipped. I recommend replacing it with a vending machine.
[10:34pm] Catfish_Man: any objection to doing a 1.1 beta now-ish to get tabs feedback?
[10:35pm] cbarrett: A vending machine that sells vending machines?
[10:35pm] The_Tick: none
[10:35pm] The_Tick: run it by evan Catfish_Man
[10:35pm] Mac-arena: cbarrett: Yes. It would have to be real fuckin' big.
[10:35pm] The_Tick: I have to go mail my tax papers
[10:35pm] cbarrett: Catfish_Man: I haven't used trunk lately, so I can't say for sure.
[10:35pm] The_Tick: I think the meeting is over anyhow